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Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Narrowing my Jag XJ rear end. » 3/18/2016 11:38 pm

irstang
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I like the fact that you have moved the coil over attachments outboard.  This improves motion ratio as much as you could.  Nice work!

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » "Idiots Guide" to basic IRS related info? » 11/17/2015 12:50 am

irstang
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Thompson Constant Velocity Joint
Ralphy posted a video file showing a 3D rendering of this device a while back.  Looks expensive to produce, but quite ingenious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEvaOg7glKk

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » drive axel/posi » 11/07/2015 1:14 am

irstang
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You probably are looking at a  Salisbury differential.  Easy way to tell is if it has a drain plug.  Regardless, Power Lock was an option.  One way to tell if you have a "posi" rear in a car is to put it in neutral and raise the rear off the ground.  If you rotate a wheel and the other wheel rotates in the same direction it has a locking feature built into the differential.  If the wheel on the opposite side rotates in the opposite direction it does not have posi-traction.  If you don't have power lock it can be added by someone like Curt Hamilton.

Numerous ratios are available for the Salisbury, if a gear change is required.  There should be a tag, attached by a cover bolt, indicating the number of teeth on the ring and pinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0DeTzQWNBQ

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » The Jaguar IRS picture thread » 10/28/2015 8:00 pm

irstang
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Early Jag IRS Half Shaft U-Joints appear to be the same as 55-64 Chevy U-joints.  Has anyone else heard this?

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » Manual or Power Rack and Pinion? » 10/12/2015 8:11 pm

irstang
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I'm in the same quandry with my '65 Mustang.  The Coyote engine does not have provision for a power robbing power steering pump.  A 20:1 manual rack seems like it will be to slow, but they are a lot more inexpensive than the quick ratio Flaming River.  Your Vicki should be fairly light in front and you can probably get away with the 15:1 manual.  Is there someone at F. R. with experience that can help you?  I found this quick ratio rack on E-Bay, http://www.ebay.com/itm/120870038809?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT , but the seller does not statet the actual ratio anywhere in his ad, that I can see.  Cheap enough to try, and we could always go to power, later. 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Narrowing a XK8 IRS » 7/20/2015 10:25 pm

irstang
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I see no problem narrowing the Jag rear end for your cruiser.  The IRS will ride well and is strong enough to survive the LS3 with an automatic trans, in my opinion.  There is a ton of information on this site, about narrowing the Jag IRS, tips on controlling wheel hop, radius rod how to, Watts linkage, shock valving, etc.  Curt Hamilton narrowed my XJ6 and added posi-lock because I did not want to mess with it.   For pro-street or drag racing I would not go IRS; again my opinion.  Anybody want to chime in?

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Calliper Removal » 6/03/2015 12:00 am

irstang
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Hi sedatev8,
Regarding  rear inboard brakes, take a look at Kirby Palm's "Experience in a Book".
Below is a link to a free download.  Worthwhile reading. There are a lot of helpful tips on rear suspension maintenance.   Some tips on removing rear rotors are on page 445. Caliper removal instructions are on 446.

Hope this helps.

http://www.jag-lovers.org/xj-s/book/Jaguar.html

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » The Jaguar IRS picture thread » 6/17/2014 10:08 pm

irstang
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Check out the Jag IRS in Bodie Stroud's '31 Plymouth project gallery.
http://bodiestroud.com/project?album=2&gallery=13

The Garage » Doughnuts » 4/25/2014 9:49 pm

irstang
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When I am installing aftermarket parts, I agonize over drilling holes in my car.  This is especially true when drill shavings are going on the carpet, like when working under the dash, or anywhere for that matter.  Anyway, I remembered I had a pan from an old Super Turbine 400.  I stole the doughnut shaped magnet from the pan and positioned it over the holes as I drilled them. A bit of saran wrap around the magnet would help in removal of the metal particles.  Or, it would keep the doughnut fresh until the next time!

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jaguar IRS spring rate again!!! » 4/08/2014 10:49 pm

irstang
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I hope people will study the effects of motion ratio when determinining spring rates.  I noticed the link in previous forum topics is broken.  This one seems to work:

http://www.sae.org/students/presentations/suspension_101_by_steve_lyman.pdf

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Suspension travel » 4/08/2014 10:39 pm

irstang
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In regards to rear suspension travel; Please read Bump Stops are very Important in the old forum.  The thread goes on to show a picture of a stock Jag bump stop which was designed to cushion on top of the aluminum hubs.  Also, Daze chimes in on where to get them.  Seems like you could make a bracket on your frame to mount these.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » What If? » 7/21/2013 9:28 pm

irstang
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Here is an interesting approach to anti-roll, and squat control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgjRBT4ltM

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » A Sad Day At Ralphy's House » 7/21/2013 9:22 pm

irstang
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My prayers are with you, your wife, and daughter.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Rear Coil Over Decisions » 6/04/2013 10:20 pm

irstang
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Don't forget motion ratio as well as spring angle.
http://www.sae.org/students/presentations/Suspension%20101%20by%20Steve%20Lyman.pdf
See slide 8.
GAZ has a selection of coilover shocks for Jaguars. http://gazsuspension.com/Gaz-Rear-Dampers.html 
For a dissertation on Motion Ration and an easy way to determine wheel rates see: http://irsforum.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=336
With a Jag XKE or XJ6 the total shock/spring travel is no more than 4.00 inches.  1/2 of this available for jounce is the minimum.  I used .6 to 2/3 for my design.

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » How did you, or how are you going to, complement your IRS unit with... » 5/21/2013 10:44 pm

irstang
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Time to get back to work on my '65 Mustang convertible with Jag IRS.  MII front end from RCmotorsports has been gathering a bit of Huntington Beach surface rust.  Went this way to allow room for a bigger engine.


Independent Rear Suspension Forum » What can we learn from Mumford linkage, the best solid-axle geometry? » 5/18/2013 9:45 pm

irstang
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The answer depends on how well you design the linkage, bellcranks and their locations.  Design intent of the Mumford was to eliminate lateral movement.   One would have to model this on paper or in CAD and look at bump, roll, ground clearance, and roll center.   There is a risk of binding with the Mumford but it should control lateral movement better than a panhard bar.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag XKS into a '49 Shoebox - advice? » 5/10/2013 1:02 pm

irstang
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Greg at Welsh measured some Boge early XKE shocks for me.  They were 9.25" compressed and 13.0" extended.  So it looks like I need to go back to the drawing board with the location of my bump stops.  Sorry my error has caused you grief, as well.

This leads me to believe your Monroe spec is correct.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag XKS into a '49 Shoebox - advice? » 5/10/2013 1:10 am

irstang
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I was surprised by this number because I have been using Alden Eagle 654 data for my installation.  They used to list their 654 coilover speific to Jaguar rear.  The compressed length is 9.7 inches with a 3.7 inch stroke. 

You are in good shape as long as the shock does not bottom, or the spring does not go solid, before firmly on the bump stop.
Monroe Part No. 39003 specifications:
Jaguar XJ6
Compressed Length: 9.375 in
Dust Shield Included: Yes
Extended Length: 13.25 in
Parts Pack(s): No
Travel Length: 3.875 in

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag XKS into a '49 Shoebox - advice? » 5/09/2013 7:40 pm

irstang
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I've been admiring your pictures.  Where did you get the compressed shock length of 9-3/8"?











 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New guy - lots to learn - some early questions » 5/07/2013 6:24 pm

irstang
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In answer to your first question, this is correct if the plane is parallel to the inner pivots of the lower control arm.

Locate the inner pivot of the radius rod on an axis through the upper inner arm pivot.  This axis should be parallel to the lower arm inner pivots both horizontally and vertically.  Looking at your pictures, you may have more room running the rod aft.  This would put the rod under tension during accelleration, which is good. 

A few inches forward won't do much good, but it would be a good start for a forward pivot of a A arm,  with the rear pivot toward the back.  The further these pivots are apart the better.

Without talking to some Ford Mustang drag racers, I don't know if the FFR shocks work or not.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New guy - lots to learn - some early questions » 5/07/2013 8:03 am

irstang
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The radius rod should pivot at the inner fulcrum of the upper arm.  This essentially makes the upper arm into an A arm. 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New guy - lots to learn - some early questions » 5/06/2013 6:32 pm

irstang
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The FFR parts are essentially shock absorbers.  I was hoping you could find room for a true radius rod running aft or forward. 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New guy - lots to learn - some early questions » 5/05/2013 7:58 pm

irstang
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Hi rficalora,
Your upper arm does very little to stop the lower arm from twisting when an acceleration load is applied at the whee/hub center.  The twisting/untwisting of the lower arm results in wheel hop.  You need to triangulate the upper arm into a true "A" arm to help contain the accleration force.  

Also, take a look at how your pinion is restrained. Up and down motion of the pinion will also induce wheel hop.

hope this helps,
Irstang

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Must have tools for the guy who wants to work on a project car. » 4/20/2013 2:05 am

irstang
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Poor Man's Brass Hammer
A must have tool when welding up small holes in sheet metal is a brass hammer.  This is especially true when the metal is thin.  Hold the face against the backside and mig up the hole.  I made this one with an old ball peen and a brass freeze plug. 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » The aftermarket IRS picture thread » 4/18/2013 4:51 pm

irstang
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I think I heard about this place in Torrance, California, http://www.cobraracing.com/index.html from Ralphy?  When you go to their site you can click on the parts in the suspension and see the parts in living color.  Looks like their design was originallly based on Jaguar IRS.  Uprights are available with and without Wats linkage.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » 80's corvette IRS on a S-10 frame to fit under a1950 chevy pickup » 4/18/2013 2:15 am

irstang
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It looks like your question has been asked a hundred times on www.S10forum.com
User Milleraa posted a picture of his C4 installation in an S10.

It looks like the crossmember would fit between your frame rails with some simple brackets.  You will have to narrow the rear or run wheels with a deep offset from the back.  Flat Out Engineering in Orange, California may even offer a kit to install a Corvette IRS in an S10.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » 80's corvette IRS on a S-10 frame to fit under a1950 chevy pickup » 4/17/2013 11:44 am

irstang
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Hi truck1950,
Welcome to the forum.  Assuming you are 2WD, I would recommend either an early corvette with the transverse leaf spring, or a Jag IRS. The Jag is good for up to 400hp.  The 'vette, probably more. They are easy to narrow and you won't have an upper control arm to worry about interference with the frame.  Eaton used to make shortened leaf springs.  I don't know if they do it anymore, but a phone call and you would know.  I think the Jag is a little easier to narrow.  They are plentiful and cheap, but get expensive with the four coilovers.  The Jag ride is magnificent, however.  Give us some more details on how you intend to use your truck.

I don't know much about the 8.8 T-bird IRS, but it may be a good choice.  Here is an interesting build thread: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1162665-my-55-f-100-project-7.html
Cheers, irstang

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Identifying Jaguar IRS » 4/14/2013 9:46 pm

irstang
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Hi Swinfen, 
Your pictures did not show up, but you can still edit your post to make them appear.  Go to the forum index and Day has described how this works.

Regarding your rear output seal leak, take a look at Kirby Palm's "Experience in a Book".
Below is a link to a free download.  Worthwhile reading. There are a lot of helpful tips on rear suspension maintenance.  Without pictures I don't know whether you have a Dana (no drainplu) or a Salibury (with drainplug).  Some tips on rebuilding the differential  begin on page 349.

Hope this helps.

http://www.jag-lovers.org/xj-s/book/Jaguar.html

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Importance of Roll Axis to Your IRS Installation » 4/14/2013 11:20 am

irstang
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No.  Take a look at slide 37 of the presentation.  The roll moment, with the center of gravity above the roll center, creates the forces used to plant the tires in a corner.  As the body rolls, a properly designed suspension loads the tires vertically on the outside of a turn. 

As I recall, the front roll center of your Cobra is well located at ground level and you are trying to determine where the static roll center at the rear should be.  You might want to steal some advice from one of Mark Ortiz's columns:   http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1v28w/RacecarEngineeringDi/resources/26.htm   Also, I think Phantomjock posted a "tune up" guide from my hero, Caroll Smith.  As I recall it gives one insight into the effect of rear roll center location on handling when you are ready to road test your design.  http://irsforum.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=339

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