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Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 6/15/2017 7:51 am

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Follow-up: The '68 Mustang, "1FSTPNY", has been "out-and-about" for 6 months now. After a few hundred miles of "test flights" and some slight suspension tuning I went up to an autocross being held at Shelton (WA) airport. I decided, "If I'm gonna break 'er, I'm gonna do it today". And proceeded to mash the course. Man, the results give me a rush of pride, and same should go for you! Absolutely exceeded my expectations. With the locker rear end, she grabbed the course and just tore it up. Flat, solid and steady even around the tightest turns at each end. Just a little over-steer, perfect for feeling a nice, smooth, controlled transition as traction slips. No jump, shudder or hopping, at all. I can get the rear to come around nicely and set up for the straights. The slaloms were tight, with almost zero body roll. The TCP frame connectors locked the chassis; front to rear, and the Mustang II coils overs with rack & pinion in front .... altogether a fine driving experience!
NOTE - The aluminum torque arms began getting loose in the threads, so I went with steel. Also added side plates over, and just outside, the wheel arch (belt and suspenders) just to add some stiffness in that high stress area of the side rails. Final weight distribution, with full tank of gas and driver, is 51% Front, 49% rear.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/10/2017 4:21 pm

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I sent three bundles to you. The "whole enchilada" is 172 MB consisting of 322 files. That'll choke my outbox. A lot of it is public info - website data and junk like that. I sent you most the original work. Cheers!

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/09/2017 2:59 pm

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For Daze. It handles really well, altho' so far haven't really stressed it. I'm still working the "shake down cruise", or might I say "flight testing". It is totally stable, straight line under acceleration or braking. Feels tight and confident. Once I get 500 miles on her, I'll take her down to the skid pad, and maybe run an autocross or two, then report back.
Thanks again, Day !!!! Nice work!!
 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/09/2017 2:47 pm

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For Tyrell Racing. Correct. The '67/'68 is two inches wider flange-to-flange than the '65/'66. I didn't shorten the LCA or half shafts. What I did need tho', was wheels as follows: 16"x8"x5.25" BS Torq Thrust.
Note the large backspacing. That pulled my rear wheels back in. Since the Jag IRS is a Chevy bolt pattern, and I wanted same wheels all around, I needed wheel adapters in the front, to go from Ford to Chevy. So, I got the 1" thk wheel adapters in front, and the high backspace wheels with Chevy bolt pattern all around. Long winded answer, but I hope you get it.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:48 pm

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I have more pics, drawings, and can offer some tips from my experience. ONCE AGAIN .... ALL CREDIT TO DAZE!!!! YOU WILL RECOGNIZE HIS INSPIRATION FROM THE PICS HE POSTED LONG AGO! HE LED THE WAY, I FOLLOWED.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:45 pm

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Also a little peak under the hood (I hope you don't mind). 351W stroked to a 408.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:34 pm

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Stepping back a bit, here's the wood mock up, and the subframe prep.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:31 pm

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By the wat, just for kicks, I had one of the local high school geniuses do this whole thing in CAD (Inventor), and made a few adaptations on the as-built. Here are my starting dimensions (elevation view).

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:28 pm

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Here's a view from the rear, up into the left side of the IRS.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:26 pm

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Then, added the anti-sway bar. If you notice, there's still about an inch left on the bolt where the original Jag radius arms attached. My future plan is to build Watts linkage style radius arms (going straight forward and aft to the chassis, with a pivot at that bolt) to react the loads at the LCA.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:24 pm

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Since I have welded in TCP Frame Connectors and stiffener, I have a convenient place to bolt in a pair of torque arms.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:20 pm

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The spring adjustment details are shown here. At first run, I was about 2" too high, so I got shorter, stiffer springs, and now they're perfect. (IMPORTANT NOTE:, the '67 & '68 Mustang have 2" wider flange-to-flange distance on the original car, so shortening the LCA and half shafts is not necessary.)

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:17 pm

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Once in place, I use the original shackle links to pin the rear in place.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:16 pm

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This (not very clear) shows the rear end swinging up into place, pivoting on the forward rail bushings.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:14 pm

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Then, I bolt the front of the side rails through the forward leaf spring hard points, and swing up the rear

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:08 pm

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Here's where the cross member attaches to the side rails. Two sets of poly bushings and flanges, with a 5/8" Grade 8 bolt through 'em. The frame tubing is 1 1/2" x 2 1/2" by 0.188" wall.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 3:05 pm

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I mocked it up in wood first, then welded up the three main pieces; side rails and cross-member.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » All credit to Daze - - His IRS concept on my '68 Mustang » 2/03/2017 2:53 pm

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I'm going to post some pics (if I can figure out how), and show you how Dave's design was built up and installed - bolt in - to my '68 Mustang Coupe
 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » With one of these you too can bolt a Jag IRS in a classic Mustang » 9/02/2015 11:56 am

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Great thank you! Just a newbie here, and my Mustang is a "blank canvas". You guys lead the way! Thanks again! I'll be soaking in the hints, updates and knuckle busters on a regular basis!

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag IRS in 68 Mustang, Need ref points on each and physical interface » 9/02/2015 11:23 am

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I see a ton of good info here. (Sorry, I'm a newbie and should "look before I post"). Great info and maybe all I need to do the conversion.  Thank you!

Tho' more data would always be welcomed! Thanks again!

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag IRS in 68 Mustang, Need ref points on each and physical interface » 9/02/2015 10:31 am

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Hey, Day!

I'm ready to go on the conversion. Located the IRS and it's on the way. Mustang is stripped to the unibody. I'm looking for the last little bit of info, following your awesome article. That is, the physical interface between the Jag IRS and Mustang unibody. Is there a sketch, or some key reference points I can use?

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