I have been under the impression that you have to dump BIG bucks into a 200R to get them to handle ANY HP. Would also have to lengthen the driveshaft compared to the 700/ 400 swap. I run a 700R with 4:11s and with some pretty short tires. While it is not really comfotable at 80mph it does OK at 70. Just seems to me keeping a taller tire and staying with the 700 would be a better deal than the 200. For cruising highway  that 400th would like to be infront of some different gears especially if you are going to pump some HP in front of that.

Trade that motor and the stars will align.

Ralphy

Last edited by Ralphy (12/21/2013 4:50 pm)

Ralphy, You are a machinist. Make your own. I didnt see any part too difficult to make with manual machines let alone when you have access to cnc machines. Even the quick change center wouldnt be too tough to make. Just carve it out of solid billet. It isnt made out of anything more exotic than 6160 Aluminum.  It might be a little tougher than cross drilling and reaming rotors  . My guess is the company you work for should be swimming in aluminum. Show us what that Mazak CNC vertical mill can really do. $15,000 would be enough to make about 5 of them including the price of the parts redily available like. Half shafts and R&P , carrier,bearings and primary shaft, as well as inner and outer stubs. That would be simple compaired to jet engines.  I didnt figure that theft would be required. maybe things are different where you work . I always worked out a deal with the company owner on the remnants. Typically I could get them at twice scrap price. Thats possible when you work for a small company.              Remnant would have been my word of choice. However that would have been large for bronze or brass but not for aluminum. We go through that stuff pretty fast. We dont usually get that large of a remnants but some times I luck out. A while back we machined down two plates 4'x12'x5" aluminum 6160. There were two large drop outs from the centers that were aprox. 20"x 5'x5"  I wanted to buy one of them but we had another job that wound up consuming most of both. I wound up getting two chunks 20"x15"x5". I paid  $150 ea.for the. remnants.  I got them to build another set of calipers. The price was right too.   As I recal the first customer paid for both 4'x12' plates, the next job was for another customer and he paid for the size he required making the material on the second job 100% profit.The old man didnt have any problem selling me what was left.. I dont know what these remnants weigh because I never weighed them nor did I calculate the wieght by volume but after packing them around I would guess they are about 100 lbs each.  BTW what on earth does soup cans have to do with anything on this site?  I find satisfaction in building the things I can. I only buy the things I cannot build. There is a point of deminishing returns with anything. I will be the first to admit the parts are available for Q/C rears. These are used fatigued parts. Aluminum fatigues fast when it is over worked. The bells and centers on most Q/C's were cast from poor quality aluminum. The castings are of good quality but the aluminum is somewhat brittle and is prone to crack. There are very few Q/C rears that had a soft life. They all get overworked until there fatigued and torqued out of shape then people sell them on e-bay. If you think about it the Q/C's are rated for far less HP than they have to suffer through. Failure is pretty comon. The parts available are beat up even when they dont look bad, they are fatigued.  That would be my motivation to make my own.  If you never go out to your shop it becomes far more difficult to build any thing.

Last edited by tyrellracing (12/23/2013 5:59 am)

So today I started doing all the work under the hood. Filling all the holes and redoing the front section that somebody took a saw all too.
Then I realized I traded my T/A because I didn't feel like finishing the custom fiberglass dash.
For a car made out of fiberglass. Lol

I found a whole lot of I don't like that's so far. Lol

I got to thinking, back in the day. A friend ran Chevelles till about 75. Dale ran a high compression punched 454 in the Super Late Model division. Running a Frankland QC I don't remember the carrier ever breaking.  In fact when cars broke the announcer would general report what happened. And rears were seldom a problem. I do remember him breaking an axle and having a really weird look at the break.  Looking as if the axle was forged from multiple pieces. The car was easily over 500 HP.

Last edited by Ralphy (12/23/2013 9:08 pm)

Here's a story, last race Dale ever ran was a season end 50 lapper. I was in the track entry. Dale let a new hot shoe named Lou Bacci drive, hope I spelled it right. Lou was having problems spinning comming out of the corner. Dale told him you can't feather the throttle. This QC had a ratcheting locker. Dale says pick off the throttle and get back into it only once. Lou learns fast, during hot laps, again I was at the track entrance in turn four. Lou stabs it and man did he come out hard! He left a pair of black lines all the way down the front stretch. Any how Lou qualified around 8th. Luck of the draw we get the pole. Start of the race old # 53 just loses the field imediately. About ten laps in he has almost half a lap on the whole field. Near lap 16 he's only a straight away from lapping cars. The car quits, flat out dies!. The battery cable came lose. LOL! Lou Bacci drove his street car into a tree like two years later killing himself.

The only time I can remember that carrier needing work? Dale and I changed the ring and pinion not from wear. But he wanted a different ratio, I think 4.11. The spur gears worked to a better advantage for the tracks he raced. I do not remember how the original ring and pinion looked. But had they been bad I think I would remember.

Dale sold his car never raced for years. He had his son racing truck at Lake Erie Speedway in PA abot 6 years ago. Still using the number 53. Back in the day Sr. won several track championships Berlin Raceway in Michigan at once he owned.

Dale Peterman's earlier car before he ran a QC.

"While this photo wasn't taken at the Leaf, Lou Pallotta made a lot of noise tat Cloverleaf  in Dale Peterman's Chevelle 427.  They made a great team and won some big races together."

Check out the rear, most racers used truck floaters in earlier times. Look at the wheel gusets. This car had a 55 gallon aluminum fuel tank. NO FUEL CELL!
http://jimmiesoldtimeracing.mywowbb.com/forum3/324-7.html



This is a photo of the car I helped my cousin build. He raced one race at Heidelburgh in the Gulf PRA 250 with the #2 on it. Think it finished 17th with Jim Moore driving. My cousin sold his half out to his partner Mike Pirro and goes with #32. Ironicly Mike get's Dales old driver Lou Pallotta. He was a winner for years.

"The late Lou Pallotta picks up a feature win in Mike Pirro's #32 Chevelle.  Lou had a great season going until a freak accident at Midvale.  He came back the next season in Jesse Jame's Pony Car at Painesville to test himself and then returned to the Late Models, concentrating mostly on Heidelberg and Sharon, PA.  A track champion at the Leaf and Lorain County Speedway, Lou was inducted into Lorain's Hall of Fame in 2005."


"Lou Pallotta in the Mike Pirro & son Chevelle.  Lou opened up the season at Cloverleaf in this car, setting a new track record and picking up a number of feature events.  He was racing at Midvale when a driveshaft broke and coasted into the infield and stood in front of the car.  Two cars got together and slid into the parked #32 hitting Lou in the process and sending him almost through the windshield.  He was rushed to the Hospital in Dover and was there for a number of weeks, required surgery for the many cuts he received and other damages.  That ended in season and his ride in the Pirro 32"


Ralphy

Last edited by Ralphy (12/23/2013 2:21 pm)

I'll have to look at this on my computer none of the pics are showing up on my phone.

Yes I can see that one.

The builder called me on Sunday and we had a nice long discussion on some of the things I found in the car. Basically I decided to just start over on a few things.
All new brakes and wiring. Removed it all starting over all new. Wilwood brake pedal with dual master cylinders. New cylipers and rotors. Painless harness, Watkins Street Works billet switch panels.
New dash from dash works.
Been working on it about everyday.

Heres some more pics the builder sent me.

Did you ever consider remote resevoirs for the brakes? They make a plastic or billet aluminum. The dash is awesome!

Ralphy

Last edited by Ralphy (1/22/2014 5:27 pm)

I figured I'd give you all a peek at the motor thats going in.

I wouldnt say there over drilled the new ones are the same just not chrome.
And not a big fan of small blocks or manual shifting the involves a clutch.

I understand what your saying and most of those are road race cars where the brakes are used allot. This car if it gets a couple hundred miles a year will be allot.
I appreciate your concerns.