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Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 1/27/2014 6:28 pm

Richard/SIA
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Well, nuts!

Mazda Miata is still 6" too wide.
Really do not want to get into a complex modification scheme. 

Any suggestions for an IRS at or near 50" track?

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 1/27/2014 1:10 am

Richard/SIA
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In a bit of a hurry to sort out parts for the GT6.
Seems a Mazda Miata rear may be a fairly easy swap?
Maybe put an RX-7 diff in it?
Anyone here familiar with them, or their strength - weakness?

I will be using an about 200 HP Buick 225 V6 and T5.
Might put a 300 HP 231 in it some day.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 1/25/2014 8:16 pm

Richard/SIA
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Got a chjance to identify may Jag rears.
All are Salisbury!

Posi unit center is 60-63 XKE, first model type.
Also an earlier XJ6 open diff that is much more complete but still missing brake calipers, cage,and some other small parts.
The complet unit I just got from an XJS turns out to have an open diff, not the posi it should have been. 
At least it was complete despite having a bad pinion bearing.
In theory I can put the gears or center from the early unit into the late cradle and axles.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag rear identification » 1/24/2014 11:16 pm

Richard/SIA
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I have to disagree, lots of threads on many forums regarding drilled brake rotors cracking.
A restrained number of holes with proper bevel are fine, I have them on my El Camino.
But your pics look like dragster equipment, one stop per run, not street driven in traffic.
Slotted without holes would be better for a 1000HP street car.
My .02¢

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag rear identification » 1/23/2014 8:42 pm

Richard/SIA
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I would put in a high winding small block with an IR 4 Weber intake, T56 trans, shave as much weight as possible, and replace those brake rotors ASAP.

Those brake rotors are frightening, over-drilled AND chromed.
Weakened and hydrogen embrittlement, not a good combination.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 1/11/2014 5:25 pm

Richard/SIA
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Got the GT-6.
All good glass and the body parts that have not been hacked are good and rust free.
No longer IRS though, some sort of posi live axle that is a little too wide.
Horrible conversion, looks like they used any available scrap and no engineering.

Lots of potential and no shortage of work to be done.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 1/10/2014 9:25 pm

Richard/SIA
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Just picked up a complete XJS rear at the local Pick N Pull for $170.00
This one came with 2.88 gears and a bad pinion bearing.
No loss as 2.88 is junk to me.
So long as it will bolt up to my other diff's it's fine.
Have to figure out what type each is so I can decide which to rebuild first and get the right brake set-up.

Off to pick up a Triumph GT-6 in the morning.
It had a turbo Buick of some sort in it and the rear has already been converted to ???? IRS instead of the original.
Big ugly hole in the bonnet will have to be cleaned up.
Getting it pretty cheap so breaking my vow to stop buying more projects.
It gets a hot-rod 225 Buick V6 and Saginaw trans, Muncie or maybe a T5 WC if I can find one cheap enough.

MUST STOP BUYING PROJECT CARS NOW!

The Garage » EPA proposes reducing biofuel mandate » 11/18/2013 2:39 am

Richard/SIA
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It is sold to the public as a way to extend our fuel supply and bring us closer to "Energy Independence".

A clear fraud, primarily designed only to gather Iowa caucus votes for elections.
Also to "Rid" us of older cars and two-stroke engines as the ethanol attacks their fuel systems. 
That the ethanol also reduces mileage is one of those things we are not supposed to be aware of.

The net gain from ethanol is actually a LOSS!

The Garage » EPA proposes reducing biofuel mandate » 11/16/2013 6:18 pm

Richard/SIA
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Strange, only a short time ago they were pushing for E15.

I'm still looking for corn-suger free fuel but it appears the only way to get it in this state is to buy AVGas or racing fuel.

Gues he's not so concerned with pleasing Iowa since he's on his second term.

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » Need to work out a new IFS for the Spitfire. » 11/15/2013 10:37 am

Richard/SIA
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Finally gave up - in and registered there.
Seems that every time I do a dearch for any sort of truly custom build that is the site that comes up. 

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » Need to work out a new IFS for the Spitfire. » 11/14/2013 1:41 am

Richard/SIA
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Old Spitfire uprights are a bit notorious for failing at the lower trunion.
Very small four bolt PCD.

My current plan for it is a hopped up 225" Buick V6 and four speed.

I also have a similar issue with my Marcos 1600 GT as it also uses Spitfire front suspension.
It will have an Alfa-Romeo 2000 engine.
I need to change it so that the hubs can match the Alfa rear axle.

I've finally found out which Cortina parts to get, even found the uprights in Aluminum!
Still working on the new A-arm's

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » Need to work out a new IFS for the Spitfire. » 11/09/2013 12:41 am

Richard/SIA
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Want much bigger brakes than the Spitfire suspension can provide.

Have heard of some model Cortina upright aand brakes being fitted but have no details.

Looking around at Pick N Pull it looks like Fiero is a self contained unit, not sure how good they are.

Other suggestions?

The Garage » Worst Cars of the Millenium... » 11/09/2013 12:13 am

Richard/SIA
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Cadillac 8-6-4 was far worse than the Vega mechanically.
I doubt a single one ever lived to the end of the warranty period.
None ever ran long enoug for rust to be an issue.

Only the GM diesels built on gas engine blocks may have been as bad as the 8-6-4.

Had a Pinto for a while, actually a fairly good car for what it was, cheap drive it to death and throw it away machine.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New guy here, have a Mark VIII, '61 falcon, and a ton of questions. » 10/06/2013 11:26 pm

Richard/SIA
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Your Falcon has a 54" track.

The Jag rear you need in order to avoid having to do a lot of work narrowing it is from a Jag 3.8S, 420 (Not 420G) or series III XKE.

Not sure where you are located but if you are in the eastern US a rusty Jag of the correct model may not be hard to find.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 10/06/2013 11:10 pm

Richard/SIA
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Well that was a surprise.

Had not realized that the Jag rear uses heavier wheel studs.
Have to buy different lug-nuts to put the wheels on for mock-up.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » MOTO GUZZI TRIKE SUSPENSION??? » 9/24/2013 11:33 pm

Richard/SIA
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The black & blue at the top is Jag.
An excellent unit but pretty heavy for your purpose.

I would suggest BMW as it's very self contained in a cradle that is easy to remove.
This should ease your goal of being able to go back to two wheels.
The usual track is about 55" and the five lug bolt circle is virtually identical to a traditional Chevy.
Some are four lug, not sure if they may be lighter.
On a trike you want to avoid any model with a posi.
Pick & Pull sells them fairly cheap.
Guzzi and BMW seem a "Natural" combination. 

Mazda Miata might also be a good but I've had very little chance to examine them to see how they are set up.
Light car so the rear should be reasonably light too.

I would build the trike properly centered and just let the driveline be off-set.
Off center will take on some of the characteristics of a side hack, cornering in one direction will be stronger than the other.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » New Guy Jag IRS custom brake caliper flip to rear templates??? » 9/21/2013 12:08 am

Richard/SIA
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Did you ever figure this out?

I'm putting a Jag XJ6 rear into a 1968 El Camino.
Also looking into vented rotors, and have CNC equipment of I have to make my own parts.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/20/2013 8:31 am

Richard/SIA
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Not drag racing, much more acceleration from a moving start, IE, going to 120 MPH quickly from 70 MPH.
Doubt I will have enough power to worry about wheel hop under those circumstances.

The air shock will vary depending on the pre-load as it is adjusted to level ride height when carrying cargo.

My XKE's all had the ability to spin a tire but never hopped.
I was not burning the tires for a whole block, just a few feet.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/19/2013 8:21 pm

Richard/SIA
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Still cannot edit my prior post.

Here are a couple of pics of what I got.
No brakes, so I probably have to visit a local Pick n Pull for cores.

I did get two diffs, one 3.54 and posi.
Glad to find it is MUCH cleaner inside than out.

All bearings/pivots have to be rebuilt and the LCA's probably reinforced.
Glad that I can avoid having to shorten anything.
I did confirm that my 8.5" wide wheels clear the hub carriers with room to spare.

So I'm going to be looking at what can reasonably be done for the best mounting and lower trailing arms arrangement.
Not sure about the need for a watts link.

Main use is improved handling over the GM 10" live axle.
Hoping to use one coil over and one air shock per side.
The El Camino is lighter than an XJ6


Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/19/2013 6:01 pm

Richard/SIA
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Got it tonight.
No shocks or springs but I did get both diff's.
The 3.54 posi diff looks like it will probably need to be rebuilt.
Still not a bad trade for an engine I only wanted $150.00 for.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/16/2013 7:48 pm

Richard/SIA
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Unless the other guy back out I have a good trade going.
My tired SB Chevy 400 for his 3.54 and posi XJ6 rear. 

Once in a while CL works.
I will be anxious until the deal is done this coming Thursday.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/05/2013 1:51 am

Richard/SIA
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Final thought for tonight.

The last item I need to check is frame and wheel clearance for the hub carriers.
I happen to have a nice '87 Jag XJ6 sitting in my yard, so I can try a wheel on it to see how that looks like it will go.
At worst I may have to notch the El Camino frame a little, it's getting modified anyway so would not be a big deal.
Yah, this is NOT going to be a bolt-on adapter.
I will probably cut out the original spring perches to fit the Jag rear diff mount since they are centered on the kick-up over the axle.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/05/2013 1:25 am

Richard/SIA
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Okay, "Edit" still not working for me so here's a late update.

After much web searching I find that the XJ6 rear is stated to be 61.75" wheel flange to wheel flange.
The original El Camino rear is 62.50".
The Jag is 3/4" (.75") narrower.
Divide by 2 to get the difference per side, 3/8" (.325").

So an XJ6 or XJ12 rear should be about perfect and no modification to width is needed.

As I measured an original XJ6 wheel the back rim edge to the mounting face is 4.8"
The mag wheels I want to use are 3.5" but are also 8.5" wide.
I have trial fit them on the car and they fit with plenty of space to the inside, and adequate clearance on the outside.
Gaining 3/8" on the outside will make them about perfect!
If I've done the math right my new track will be 63.9" at the center of the tire.
The original rear track was 59" using skinny little 14" rims and tires.

It's possible I might even be able to get away with 10" wide rear wheels (295/50-15 tires!), if I could find a set with the correct back-space.
Probably will not go to the 10" wide rims, would look great but tire selection and speed rating get pretty poor.
This is to be a fast road car, not a dragster.
 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag rear end dimension » 9/05/2013 12:27 am

Richard/SIA
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Hmm, "Edit" does not seem to work for me.

A series 3 E-Type has the same 54"  rear track as the 420 and 3.8S.

Might be easier to find, but probably priced higher, almost certain to have the posi unit in it.

Series 1 E-Type is a 50" track, pretty narrow, and expect ot pay at least $1,000 for one.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 9/04/2013 11:15 pm

Richard/SIA
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Okay, got pics of the rear of the "New" 68-72 El Camino frame this morning.

Original is a live axle with unequal length trailing arms and coil springs.
Looks to me like the spring perches will have to go, so much for a bolt in conversion.
Also seems all the 'Vette rears I find are Dana 36 from automatics, or overpriced.
If I really want a Dana-44 'Vette rear it looks like I would have to buy a whole car this winter, then sell what I do not need.
Looking even more likely to be a Jag set up.
Just need to determine which to use, XJ6 or 420.

Also intend to fully weld all seams and add some cross bracing for added stiffness.

Some pics to show what I'm working with.
 

As seen from the front with the rims I want to use.
Tires will be replaced with the same size in a modern equivalent, 265/60-15.




3/4 angle from the front.




Close up of the cross member and spring pocket from the front.
The bracket to the front on the main rail can be removed with IRS.




Looking forward from the rear.




A low angle looking from the rear.
Might remove some brackets and box this in if I can.




That spring pocket sits right at the top of the frame arch.

Front Suspension Discussion and Tech » How did you, or how are you going to, complement your IRS unit with... » 9/01/2013 10:36 pm

Richard/SIA
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Took the El Camino for a short drive today after major effort to fix an engine oil leak.
Not truly happy with the current drivetrain, so my major mod will be to toss out the TH400 and put in a real transmission.
Probably a Muncie from a 'Vette since the price is reasonable.
The other major intended mod will ba large second fuel tank where the "Smugglers Box" used to be.
Other than decent paint, gauges and upholstery it's a fairly mild project.
Just want it to ride decently, handle well, and go fast.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Jag rear end dimension » 8/31/2013 10:34 pm

Richard/SIA
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A Jag 420 rear should be about exactly right.
Around 54" as I recall.
Much harder to find than XJ6 but more likely to have a posi in it and lower ratios.

A 420G rear is the same as an XJ6, it's a much larger car than the 420.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 8/31/2013 10:24 pm

Richard/SIA
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Off to buy a good frame on Tuesday for $200.00.
Sometimes patience pays off.

Since it's supposed to be a good one I will get it checked and adjusted if necessary at a local shop.

I'm getting another El Camino/Convertible frame, they are fully boxed to be stiffer than sedan or coupe frames.

So once I get my conversion figured out I can just swap frames if turns out I need to do very much modification.
Still leaning toward Jag over Vette, much better prices and simpler install.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 7/17/2013 7:19 pm

Richard/SIA
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May have made some progress of sorts today.

Went looking for a '68-'72 "A Body" frame or rear half to use for mocking it all up.

Found a good one in a wrecking yard, $700.00.
I don't think so!

A "Slightly damaged in the front" at $400.00 on CL.
Better, not a winner.

"Wrecked in front but the rear is fine, $200.00"
Hmm, maybe.

I only need the portion over the axle and it can be from any "A" body of the correct years.
With patience I should be able to find a damaged or partial one just about free.

I already have a spare rear sheetmetal clip.
Once I have the spare frame section I can get serious about working out the fabrication.

Also found an overpriced C3 'Vette rear which the seller cannot even describe properly.
Cannot say which center section it has, ratio, or if it is a posi unit.
Pretty sad from a "Professional".

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Hi, I have two IRS projects to work out. » 7/16/2013 2:04 pm

Richard/SIA
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Got some measurements from the '68 El Camino today.
Rear frame is 46.5" outside, 40.0" inside.
Inside of the wheel wells is the same 46.5".
The 10 bolt is 54.0" inside the backing plates.
Currently have 53.0" inside tire to inside tire, with lots of room for wider rims to the inside.

Curious how this compares to the '59 mentioned above and how hard that was?

I'm looking for a spare frame to mock-up on, or even just a rear half.

Tried to measure the Jag XJ6 I have here, but with the rear in it that did not go well.
It's beginning to look like an XJ6 rear may work best, the narrower rear looks more likely to have to notch the frame for the uprights.

Found a clean XJ6 3.54 ratio positive traction rear for $500.00, and five hundred miles of shipping. 

Snow White is now Speedway and they say they do not have a kit that will work for the El Camino.
Could not locate Concourse West, looks like they are gone?

Most guys build these as "Muscle Cars", with big engines and go drag racing, not what I am after.

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