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Independent Rear Suspension Forum » MN12 IRS in '68 Cougar » 5/30/2016 12:51 am

gullwing
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I tried putting a MN12 IRS in my kit car. My first attempt was to use the X (or K) member as you had. Guess what, I found out, just as you had, that the front two arms extend too far into the passenger compartment. So, I too shortened these. Then I found that I needed to narrow the LCAs. Well that screwed up my spring perches so I had to convert to coil-overs. Ultimately I bought a set of Factory Five LCAs then was able to weld up a mounting cage as they do and probably saved 50 lbs. Its a lot of work though.
 

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Ford Half Shafts » 2/19/2013 12:00 am

gullwing
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I was having trouble writing and adding a picture as well. Anyway the above picture shows the contrast in size and spline count for the T-bird Supercoupe and the Cobra.
I can't imagine finding an axle 5" shorter. The  Factory Five guys use these axles in two different lengths.
One for standard hub and a shorter axle for the pin drive hubs. These guys all have to have them cut and resplines. So if there was a shorter axle someone no doubt they would have written about it. Everyone prefers to save money. The good news is the cost of cutting and resplining an axle is the same whether you are cutting 2" off or 5".

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » T-bird IRS strength » 2/10/2013 2:19 pm

gullwing
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Well, I have heard the number 400-500 HP bantered around which isn't shabby. My Tremac T-45 is only rated at 330ft/lbs torgue. Following the posts on Factory Five forums there are a lot of high horsepower
Cobras running this IRS. Now I do realize that if the tires simply spin and don't hook up then it doesn't matter if its 200 or 2,000 HP. The IRS is not being stressed.
One FF guy Sergio has built a Cobra using a supercharged motor from a 500GT Cobra mustang. He used specially built (expensive!) axles. However what happens is you move the strength upfrom one weakest point to the next weakest point. So I think the problem then becomes the stub axles. I understand that going from 28 spline to the 31 spline will help here. Anyone able to elaborate on this?
The guys that race Fords tell me that the 8.8 differential is every bit as strong as the Ford 9" which was the differential of choice for year. Keep in mind though that they are using the 8.8" in a live axle not the same parts in an IRS.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » MN12 8.8 interchange question » 2/07/2013 5:20 pm

gullwing
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I realize this is an old post but I an new to this forum. A better solution is to get the entire locker unit from a T-bird SC. A large proportion of them have the Trac-lok. While you are at it get the gear set. They are 3.26 as opposed to the lower number gears in the MN12.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » Ford Half Shafts » 2/07/2013 5:01 pm

gullwing
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I have owned a 7.5" Ford IRS from a T-bird, a few 8.8" Ford IRS from the Super Coupe and the Lincoln VIII and from the Cobra. I never measured the axles but have had them all together being cleaned of grease, having universal joints removed etc.. I have never noticed any difference in length. Width yes. Spline count yes but not length. The 7.5" use a 1" axle 28 splines each end. The 8.8 use a 1.2" axle with 28  splines in each end. The Cobra has a 1.5" axle. From there I am a bit confused. On the wheel side the spline count is 28 but on some the inner is 28 and later years it is 31. I used the 1.5" axles on my build. As I recall I did not have to deal with the spline count in the differential. I had the cast iron 8.8 and the Lincoln aluminim 8.8. I simply used the tri-lobar (is that what its called) from the Cobra in the Universal joint for the T-bird. No problem. I needed to shorten my axles 2". It cost me $350 plus freight to have then respline then rehardened and annealed. I know nothing about the Explorer IRS except hat several kit car guys tried them and gave up. Fell into the too hard basket and they went back to the T-bird. Could be shorter axles but I doubt it. The Explorer isn't exactly a skinny car. Not going to be skinnier than a Mustang.

Independent Rear Suspension Forum » T-bird IRS strength » 2/05/2013 5:09 pm

gullwing
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I am a newbie to this site but have been building a  300SL replica for years. I spent a lot of time researching
the Factory Five Forum. Ultimately decided on the T-bird IRS over the Jag. I liked the look of the Jag better but in my application you just cant see any of it anyway. I have been reading all of the T-bird posts on this forum. I havn't come across anyone talking about the strength if the T-bird IRS. I built mine initially using a cast iron T-bird unit. I then got an aluminum pumpkin from a Lincoln. Swapped all of the guts into the aluminum unit. Easy to find a set of 3.27 gears with trac loc in the T-bird SC but the better gears don't exist in the Lincoln. Their are some who swear that they made Lincolns with trac loc but you would have to search too many salvage yards to find one IMHO. Anyway In my searchs I did not find any meantion of different lengths of axles. As far as I know they are all the same. I did find that they are different diameters though. Don't quote me but the 7.5  rear use a 1", the 8.8 uses a 1.2" and the Cobra uses a 1.5". So I scored a set of Cobra axles on E-bay and had them shortened re-spine then heat treated. I read a few posts on this forum about cutting and welding them together. The prevailing attitude seemed to be "so what if they break they will spin harmlessly and won't kill you". Seems like doing it right the first time is a better answer. Not sure I would want to be left stranded somewhere. The tow bill might exceed the cost of the heat treating.
Getting back on point I was wondering what the thoughts were on how much torque I can put through on of these units? If I beefed up the rear cover with a brace then as I see it the stub shafts coming out of the diff becomes the weak point.

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